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seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like we're closer and closer to a deal where rates rise. so conservative republicans will be asked to raise rates, something that's been anath ma to the party and the far right wing. and then you guys are reporting over at politico the next battle is going to be immigration reform. where they're likely to be asked to support what many of them would have sort of offensively and wrongly called amnesty for illegals. isn't there a revolt on the right in the house republican caucus in particular? >> i certainly think that there is possibly some carryover effect of one issue to the next, particularly if the right fe
seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like...
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. >> then it looks like a win for boehner. that's -- i see that as his way not to lose his job and not to have all those republicans who, by the way, really don't like him being in the room alone. he becomes, you know, more of a collaborationist in that room alone with obama. >> they would prefer certain members of the republican party would like to see these televised, these negotiations televised on c-span. john boehner has said i don't want any of the congressional leadership. it's me and you. >> seconds and thirds in there have cantor in there and mccarthy in there, some other people. >> i'm sure cantor would like to be in there. >> yes. >> michael steele, the other thing -- the other sort of pieces of leverage here, if they exist for the republican party, are continuing unemployment insurance. 2.1 million long-term unemployed americans will lose benefits at the end much the year. another million will lose benefits in the next three months if we do nothing. the republicans have sort of said we're going to hold this stuff.
. >> then it looks like a win for boehner. that's -- i see that as his way not to lose his job and not to have all those republicans who, by the way, really don't like him being in the room alone. he becomes, you know, more of a collaborationist in that room alone with obama. >> they would prefer certain members of the republican party would like to see these televised, these negotiations televised on c-span. john boehner has said i don't want any of the congressional leadership....
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on the other it's speaker boehner versus his own party. one of the leaders of this fight is american majority action and we're delighted to say that the group alexander spokesman joins us now, ron meier. good afternoon. >> thanks for having me on. >> great to have you ron. you've endorsed three different candidates, i believe, for speaker, jim jordan, jeb hensarling, and tom price. mr. price says in a statement he's not running, but can you tell our audience why are you so sick and tired of speaker boehner? >> well, there's really two big reasons and they happened in the last two weeks that really have been the nail in the coffin. one is the tax hikes. he's proposed basically to raise taxes on charities and job creators and he thinks that that's where his starting point is with president obama. >> hold on a second. let's be factual. i think what he said was that he was open to $800 billion in revenues but he did not specify the deductions. >> the only way you could get $800 billion in deductions is to go after the charitable deduction and
on the other it's speaker boehner versus his own party. one of the leaders of this fight is american majority action and we're delighted to say that the group alexander spokesman joins us now, ron meier. good afternoon. >> thanks for having me on. >> great to have you ron. you've endorsed three different candidates, i believe, for speaker, jim jordan, jeb hensarling, and tom price. mr. price says in a statement he's not running, but can you tell our audience why are you so sick and...
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he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strategy as michigan congressman clark explains is going to the people. >> i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go to the american people because it's we the people that demand that the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let me bring in the "news nation" political panel. neimalik henderson and goodfreend and contributor michael smerkonish. you the people, you talk to folks all day long on the radio show that you have that's syndicated in cities and states. what do you make of the president picking up where he left off so often going straight to the folks at snoem. >> he is really mained a full court press that began in the campaign season and never ended after election day and i think that two-prong attack you reference is good politics and seems to be working in l
he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strategy as michigan congressman clark explains is going to the people. >> i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go to the american people because it's we the people that demand that the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let...
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does he side with john boehner? because they are certainly going to have to make concessions on tax rates. and what does that mean for him? how does that box him in for 2016? >> tea party too? >> there are 30 republican governors. there is a huge base of competency building out there. and if the president's not careful, by 2014, five or six of those state capitals are going to look a lot more competent than washington, d.c. and so there's a real -- and these are people who are winning elections, broad-based coalitions. christie is an example. but although he didn't do all that well in this last round, rick perry is another example. rick perry is a smart guy. it's the second biggest state. he is eagerly awaiting californiansi] migrating to tex in large numbers, which they would. >> because of the tax rate? >> the tax rate of california is one of the great opportunities of texas and florida of all time, and they'll both take advantage of it. you're going to see a very different republican party. it's not just going to
does he side with john boehner? because they are certainly going to have to make concessions on tax rates. and what does that mean for him? how does that box him in for 2016? >> tea party too? >> there are 30 republican governors. there is a huge base of competency building out there. and if the president's not careful, by 2014, five or six of those state capitals are going to look a lot more competent than washington, d.c. and so there's a real -- and these are people who are...
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but, speaker boehner has not said that. and so, we democrats realize that there have to be two sides to the bargain. but we're not going to go back to what we did in 2011 and put both revenues and cuts on the table. and ended up with just getting the cuts because, the other side wouldn't accept revenues, and so once speaker boehner calls for an increase in revenues, to 39.6 and the other things the president called for, we have done a trillion dollars in cuts already. but we realize there have to be other kinds of cuts. and, there will be serious negotiations about that. we'll have different views, my view and senator corker's view, as to where we ought to go on entitlements is different but we'll have to find some spending cuts and we will. >> chris: well, i mean, in fairness, senator corker, senator coburn, a bunch of people, senator schumer, have said -- and i didn't it's not house speaker boehner but on the other hand you are not president obama and they have been willing to come out and say, we are willing to raise the
but, speaker boehner has not said that. and so, we democrats realize that there have to be two sides to the bargain. but we're not going to go back to what we did in 2011 and put both revenues and cuts on the table. and ended up with just getting the cuts because, the other side wouldn't accept revenues, and so once speaker boehner calls for an increase in revenues, to 39.6 and the other things the president called for, we have done a trillion dollars in cuts already. but we realize there have...
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john, how did this private and personal meeting between john boehner and the president over the weekend go? do we know? >> we don't know. the white house and speaker's office are both being very disciplined about not disclosing content of the meeting. but i think we can take encouragement from the fact that it took place. this there is some progress an prospect of further progress being made. public and private gain, as you indicated. going to washington to keep pressure on republicans. he believes that is what worked for him ever since the grand bargain talks collapsed in summer of 2011. he campaigned, won reelection. he sees signs of republican cracks in unity about tax rates. bob corker was on our air earlier today, senator from tennessee and said tax rates ought to go up, then we fight about entitlement accounts and the debt limit. i think that's where we are. one thing we need to see from the white house is some sign of what they are willing to give speaker bainer to bring his caucus along on tax rates in terms of entitlement reforms. can't be for nothing. boehner has to be able to
john, how did this private and personal meeting between john boehner and the president over the weekend go? do we know? >> we don't know. the white house and speaker's office are both being very disciplined about not disclosing content of the meeting. but i think we can take encouragement from the fact that it took place. this there is some progress an prospect of further progress being made. public and private gain, as you indicated. going to washington to keep pressure on republicans....
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. >>> president obama an house speaker john boehner met face-to-face. now just 22 days away, we don't have much details on theirs conversation. >>> some gay couples living in washington state made history after midnight sunday becoming the first legal same-sex marriages in the state. the governor signed the voter approved referendum into law on wednesday. >>> some very sad news for fans of music super star jenni rivera. they have found the wreckage of the private jet believed to be carrying the popular mexican-american singer. there doesn't appear to be any survivors. the plane lost contact early sunday morning. those are your headlines this hour. cnn, the most trusted name in news. mpblt it's almost impossible to imagine what madonna badger has opinion through. she woke up to find her house engulfed in flames. she was unable to save her three young daughters and her parents. nearly a year she's learning to try to get on with her life. an extraordinary example of strength and courage. she joins me in a primetime exclusive. i don't even know where to sta
. >>> president obama an house speaker john boehner met face-to-face. now just 22 days away, we don't have much details on theirs conversation. >>> some gay couples living in washington state made history after midnight sunday becoming the first legal same-sex marriages in the state. the governor signed the voter approved referendum into law on wednesday. >>> some very sad news for fans of music super star jenni rivera. they have found the wreckage of the private jet...
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i just want to say that, again, boehner offered $800 billion. that's about the amount that taxes on the upper 2% are. so now he's negotiating north of that. i mean, the best place for republicans to be, to me, is to pass the rate increases, be done with it. the number's probably much smaller than it's ultimately going to be negotiated. then we still are focused on the right thing which is entitlement changes. again, i hope the president's going to come to the table, candidly. here we are. every developed country in the world knows this is the greatest threat to our nation. economists on both sides of the aisle know this is the greatest threat in our nation. and hopefully they'll solve this. but right now, there's no question in my mind that the president has the slight upper hand in the negotiations, and my point was, there's a way of changing that leverage very, very quickly by the house sending over a bill that freezes rates on the 98% of the population that are going to be affected. >> senator, in terms of the top 2%, how much do you see the
i just want to say that, again, boehner offered $800 billion. that's about the amount that taxes on the upper 2% are. so now he's negotiating north of that. i mean, the best place for republicans to be, to me, is to pass the rate increases, be done with it. the number's probably much smaller than it's ultimately going to be negotiated. then we still are focused on the right thing which is entitlement changes. again, i hope the president's going to come to the table, candidly. here we are. every...
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any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to swallow some changes to entitlement programs, raising the retirement age or changes. the less we hear, the better, in the next few days on the negotiations. as soon as you hear leaks saying these guys are too far apart, that's the problem. if we hear nothing, that's actually pretty good. >> are we starting to see the beginning of the gop move into the center with the comments over the weekend from senator corker and this morning, letting the tax rates go higher so the shift can be, the time shift can be spent on entitlements. >> the republicans some how want democrats to say what they want to cut on entitlements first, that's not going to happen. republicans need to ask for that. corker has always been a little bit more moderate. it's not that surprising to hear it from him. it would be mor
any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to swallow some changes to entitlement programs, raising the retirement age or changes. the less we hear, the better, in the next few days on the negotiations. as soon as you hear leaks saying these guys are too far apart,...
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the question is going to be what does the white house give john boehner, offer john boehner in terms of entitlement cuts that he can use to bring along his caucus? it's pretty clear from the cracks in republican ranks, becky, that republicans are going to give ground on tax rates for some group of wealthier americans, maybe half million dollar incomes, maybe million dollar incomes. but boehner to the speaker to bring along his caucus has to say here are the spending concessions that i want and i think that's what this set of conversations is about. >> john, it was interesting to hear it from senator corker saying, yeah, we should hold the fight on spending. you about he did it on the assumption that you're going to have this debt ceiling crisis that comes up again and these concessions that come up in i guess february. the president in his initial offer laid out something that he had to say the debt ceiling would be part of that, too. would he have back down and say we could have this conversation again in six weeks? >> that's a really hard issue. he said in the same definitive rates
the question is going to be what does the white house give john boehner, offer john boehner in terms of entitlement cuts that he can use to bring along his caucus? it's pretty clear from the cracks in republican ranks, becky, that republicans are going to give ground on tax rates for some group of wealthier americans, maybe half million dollar incomes, maybe million dollar incomes. but boehner to the speaker to bring along his caucus has to say here are the spending concessions that i want and...
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john boehner's got to make a decision. is he going to put a majority of members on an agreement, democrats and republicans together, or will he bring nothing to the floor unless he has a majority of republicans? if it's the latter, it's going to be harder to get to a deal. he can take 150 democrats and 75 or 80 or 90 republicans and get a deal more quickly than he can take a majority of his caucus. and that's really his role in leadership, what's he going to do there. i heard you talking about the "lincoln" movie a while ago. that's the kind of leadership speaker boehner will need to show, and i think he eventually will. it's less a fiscal cliff than it is a slide or an incline plane or whatever. but i think that, you know, soon after the 1st, if we haven't done it by then when all the tax rates go and all the changes happen, we get serious and something happens, and i think speaker boehner will be part of it. that's why i'm generally optimistic within the next month if not within the next few weeks. >> i hope so. senator
john boehner's got to make a decision. is he going to put a majority of members on an agreement, democrats and republicans together, or will he bring nothing to the floor unless he has a majority of republicans? if it's the latter, it's going to be harder to get to a deal. he can take 150 democrats and 75 or 80 or 90 republicans and get a deal more quickly than he can take a majority of his caucus. and that's really his role in leadership, what's he going to do there. i heard you talking about...
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because even if they do, can john boehner deliver? >> well, it's a question, if he doesn't have a revolt on his hands. so far, outside conservative groups are saying don't touch those rates. but inside the republican caucus right now, they're remaining pretty silent. and the democrats, the president has the same problem in many ways than john boehner has. because he's going to lose a lot of his base -- >> if there's entitlement cuts. >> if there's entitlement cuts. and john boehner is going to lose a lot of his base if you raise tax increases. so both of these men are in the same political position, if you will. the president clearly has more leverage, won the election. but this is not without political risk for both of them. after all, isn't that what leadership's about sometime, taking a political risk? >> but we'll see, this is a critical week, this week right now. gloria, thanks very much. >>> we're also getting word of a big move by the national republican party. they're trying to understand why so many of their candidates lost t
because even if they do, can john boehner deliver? >> well, it's a question, if he doesn't have a revolt on his hands. so far, outside conservative groups are saying don't touch those rates. but inside the republican caucus right now, they're remaining pretty silent. and the democrats, the president has the same problem in many ways than john boehner has. because he's going to lose a lot of his base -- >> if there's entitlement cuts. >> if there's entitlement cuts. and john...
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a spokesperson for boehner says today, quote: discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of these conversations. he adds that republicans are waiting on specific spending cut proposals from the president to get a deal on the fiscal cliff. but a few republicans now say that maybe the best strategy for them is to accept some higher tax rate that is the president is demanding, get that off the table and then come back to entitlement reform early next year when the president asks for an increase in the debt ceiling. then republicans will have a little more leverage. >> there's a hardening on the republican side. we're not going to raise the debt ceiling. we're not going to let obama borrow any more money or any american congress borrow any more money until we fix this country from becoming greece, and that requires significant entitlement reform. >> reporter: for the record, senator graham is not one of those who favors increasing tax rates on the wealthy. he favors more revenue from them by capping deductions. cheryl and dennis.
a spokesperson for boehner says today, quote: discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of these conversations. he adds that republicans are waiting on specific spending cut proposals from the president to get a deal on the fiscal cliff. but a few republicans now say that maybe the best strategy for them is to accept some higher tax rate that is the president is demanding, get that off the table and then come back to entitlement reform...